Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Local government as carpet burn remover?

I’m always suspicious of Internet testimonials from anonymous quarters. Nonetheless, here’s one from at-large councilman John Gonder’s blog ("Smoking Ordinance") that provides a bit more grist for the muddy scrum.

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I am writing to express my opinion and experience with the smoking ban in Louisville. I own a restaurant with bar and am thrilled with the ban.

I know that the focus of New Albany’s ban is worker protection and I believe we have taken steps to protect our staff and our customers. I know we have fewer sick days due to respiratory ailments.

I know too our customers still thank us for the ban. I don't worry about seating children near the bar because of the smoke cloud that used to be there. Older patrons who used to vehemently complain about the smoke no longer do so. No one else seems to mind stepping outside to smoke and there are no complaints.

I do not believe the ban has hurt my business and could say it has helped. I would continue no
smoking should the city do away with its ordinance.

An added bonus--I paint less often and wash windows less. There are no burns in my carpet.

If Dublin, Ireland and New York City can do away with indoor smoking, so can we. These cities have long cultural traditions of smoky bars and yet have seen the light. Even New Orleans prohibits smoking in restaurants. Are we not as forward thinking as these places? Are we less concerned about the health and safety of our employees?

Thanks for the forum and good luck in passage of the ordinance.

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When I first read these thoughts, there was an immediate and visceral reaction that I believe is quite relevant to the smoking discussion in New Albany.

Prior to the implementation of Louisville’s smoking ban, had there been a preexisting law requiring the restaurant owner quoted above to permit smoking?

Obviously not, but you’d be forgiven for thinking so by reading his or her account. To be blunt, why didn’t the owner in question act to eliminate the scourge of indoor smoking before the city intervened to make the action (or in this case, inaction) moot? There was no law against taking those carpet burns out of the equation. Why the timidity?

In fairness, the same question might be asked of me or any other restaurant/bar owner, with a crucial difference: I’m not publicly expressing gracious relief at finally being given governmental cover for something I might have done of my own impetus all along, if so resolved.

Note yet again that customer satisfaction is not the basis for proposed anti-smoking legislation here or elsewhere, but be aware that there is some measure of personal frustration in having spent the past three years reconfiguring my own establishment to please our customers (market forces -- remember those?) by providing expanded non-smoking seating, and in doing so, succeeding in large measure without recourse to the carrot-less stick wielded by a suddenly militant city council.

Small wonder, then, that to engage in debate about smoking is to be forced to reckon at some juncture with the concept of individual responsibility. It may not be the only angle, but it is one that matters. There is indeed a slippery slope to be navigated

I still haven’t received an answer to my query from the restaurant owner quoted here, although CM Gonder quickly responded with a deft defense of the writer's position that thoughtfully referenced virtue, freedom, Civil Rights and human bondage in a manner that would elude the understanding of at least two of his fellow council persons voting against the smoking ordinance. That is appreciated, though not in the same fashion as when coming straight from the horse’s mouth.

That's okay. I can easily guess where it came from.

Yesterday at work, we looked again at options for coping with a smoking ban in the sense of constructing comfortable “most weather” (i.e., rain and cold) outdoor smoke break facilities that comply with Indiana state alcohol laws and local fire codes. My co-conspirator Lloyd agreed to undertake the research, and what we learned is that our compliance expense in the short-term probably will be at least $2,000, and perhaps as much as double that sum. I’ll split the difference, and peg it at $3,000 for a temporary solution.

Multiply that by the number of establishments in the city (not in the county, which will be unaffected by the smoking ban), and you’ll arrive at a figure that hints at the cost of the legislation as incurred by at least some of my brethren in the business. I do not cite this as an objection, merely as a fact.

Too bad there is not a concept of carrot to accompany the stick in this matter. For some local operators, the money required to cope could well be a deal breaker.

17 comments:

Daniel Short said...

Roger, you make an excellent point about the freedoms of the business owners. All establishments can go smoke free right now if they wish. They do not need the heavy hand of city council to do it for them. Why wait? If they are concerned about the health of their employees and customers, end the indoor smoking today. Could it be they like hiding behind the guise of "the council made me do it"?

Larry M. Summers said...

Roger and Daniel,

I believe both of you are right. Businesses that implement a smoking ban within their establishments without the guise of the council made me do, would lose business. They know it and that is why they still allow smoking. Just ask the Waffle House; they are begging for the smoking ordinance to come into effect because they want some of their business back after implementing a smoking ban.

However, the pro bloc is constantly saying that it does not cause harm to business. It does and simple supply and demand economics can show that.

Christopher D said...

All of the intentions I suppose are good in the long run, but I equate this entire issue at hand as painting a Picasso on a dirty baby diaper. It may look good from a distance, but up close it still smells ~~ CITY council needs to realize the priorities on this issue are all wrong.
The second leading cause of lung cancer is Radon gas, and we sit on a hot bed of it around here. Second hand smoke you can avoid with a few simple decisions, how many of the rental homes in this city honestly have the proper vapor barrier protections in place to shield against this hazard?
Rental properties are not subject to inspection to ensure this is taken care of, and many people truly do not have a choice in where they live or what they can afford, and since most of our time is spend at home, this one single issue to me, trumphs second hand smoke by far!

Christopher D said...

Ooops.. sorry, the rental housing collective is not a business, and can not be treated or regulated as such.... Silly me, nearly forgot!

John Gonder said...

The blog post to which you refer was not anonymous. She used her e-mail moniker of "Hellis". She lives in Louisville and is,therefore, not tied in to the daily interests of New Albany-centered blogs.She may well have not checked back in to see if anyone had responded; I haven't spoken to her since that was posted.

The owner of the restaurant had, in fact, sent a similar testimonial to me with the intention of reading it into the record during the discussion of the ordinance. Instead, I handed copies out to the council members.

The writer is a friend of long standing named Helen Ellis. She and her son own and operate Cafe Lou Lou.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

I just thought I'd write to say how proud of me everyone should be. Since they made discrimination illegal, I don't do it anymore.

Until later this week anyway, when I start trying to pick out which small group to disenfranchise. With local legal precedent on my side, I figure I'll get back to it.

Any suggested targets?

Anonymous said...

I posted today on cell phones and potential link to cancer.

When will have an ordinance prohibiting their use?

Christopher D said...

Bluegill,
you could follow the example that is being set and seek out what is reported to be under-educated, economically most challenged sect in the population and have that group pay for the lions share of indigent health care by way of taxation, and use some of that collected tax money that is supposed to be for medical treatments and dole out millions upon million of dollars of that tax money annually to cities just like New Albany to be used in the general funds, and then OH OH OH this will be great, then tell them they are no longer welcome and must join the lepers outside the confines of the city gates....
(oh, wait, we all ready did that, let me get back to you!)

B.W. Smith said...

I'm guessing that, prior to the ban, Helen Ellis thought she would lose business by going smoke free.

Highwayman said...

Roger,

On a lighter note (or maybe not) the name for a new NABC brew just popped into my head.

"New Albany Extra Special Bitter Ale"

Kinda has a ring to it huh!

Jeff Gillenwater said...

I'm guessing that, prior to the ban, Helen Ellis thought she would lose business by going smoke free.

So whether a ban is good or bad depends on her own economic outcome rather than health concerns?

When she thought she would lose money, she didn't ban. Now that she thinks she would make money, she would ban.

That really doesn't amount to very strong pro-ban conviction.


Lloyd,

It won't get really ugly until they outlaw smoking malt. Then NABC can brew some Revolutionary Rauchbier right after they come spring us from the Bastille.

B.W. Smith said...

So whether a ban is good or bad depends on her own economic outcome rather than health concerns?

You'll have to ask her, but according to the conventional logic that smoking bans kill business, it seems like a logical explanation of why one wouldn't volunteer until forced to. She may not have been pro-ban before the city enacted its ordinance.

Regardless, she has obviously concluded that the ban is good for both health and economic reasons and has developed a strong conviction in favor of it.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

According to the conventional logic that smoking bans kill business, owning pets predisposes one to belief in a higher power.

According to the conventional logic that smoking bans save x number of heart attacks, crackerjacks prevent malaria.

And on and on...

Is that rauchbier ready yet? I'm getting thirsty calculating acceptable levels of segregation.

B.W. Smith said...

Ok scrum muddier - I didn't say I believed the conventional logic that smoking bans kill business, but that's what they tell us.

I find the conventional logic about how equal protection under the Constituion works equally absurd.

Christopher D said...

Unfortunately, we WILL see this ban passed, the opinions of the backbone of this community (the small business owners who invest their time, sweat and money) to bring us diversified choices in foods and entertainment basically mean squat when it is a choice between paying attention to the business owners, and the professional full-time PAID anti-tobacco lobbyists who's next years funding depends highly on the success of convincing the council to pass the ordinance.
There will be no banner headlines applauding the council for choosing to support the business owners valid and statisticly proven stance, so there is no interest in paying serious heed to the concerns.
If there was a sincere interest in doing so, we would have seen reversals from the council all ready.
Interestingly enough, as matter of public health, the Family Health Center of Floyd county, who serves the medically indigent of this city (those with no insurance, and under federal poverty guidelines), who are normally the people the bans are supposedly there to protect, not one councilman has yet to set foot in that clinic, or call to see if there was anything that the city can do to help.
It is all politics, it has nothing to do with public health or worker safety.
There are just too many peices of the puzzle that are missing to make a sound case for the council to decide to take on this issue with such zeal with any credibility on the grounds of which the supporters in the council are presenting it.

Jeff Gillenwater said...

I find the conventional logic about how equal protection under the Constituion works equally absurd.

I find writing inequality into the law when doing so serves no public interest and hinders the stated goal of the legislation absurd.

I don't think I mentioned anything about what you believe. I was merely pointing out that, in general, the "logic" offered by both sides in the smoking debate is anything but.

B.W. Smith said...

*yawn* - we're all absurd. We live here.